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  Why this obsession with Standardisation?

  by eyeslice2 in

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  the longer i am out, the the less i understand the logic of this organisation.. i thought that the kingdom hall my wife attends was perfectly fine and adequate, in fact i liked that it sat in grassy grounds, surrounded by trees.

  it probably wasn't in any dire need of re-decorating at this point.

  others, obviously, thought otherwise and so the hall has recently been subjected to a make-over.. the parking lot has been extended in true joni michell they've "paved paradise and put up a parking lot".

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  A KH make-over suggests they wanted to sell it but something is preventing it. So they get the cong to donate funds for a make-over.

  They did a similar thing with the chairs at, what was, my KH, until I was thrown out for saying the number 19 is followed by the number 20, not the number 2. Maybe they want to standardise maths with their own particular order of numbers with newly assigned values.

  My maths teacher became a Watchtower user. When I tried to point at the anomalies to her she became indignant and said if I carried on like this I would stumble her out of the truth.
  
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  "Love Never Fails" ... Really ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  " love never fails " is the main assembly headline for this years district assemblies for the jws and what a contrived lark that is .

  the jws leaders have created doctrines to which the organization's followers obeyed accordingly which have killed thousands , destroyed families and indirectly caused numerous suicides.

  these men have instituted such doctrines such as refusing blood transfusions, vaccinations and organ transplants at one time, they still uphold the no blood transfusion doctrine though.

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  Or

  Love Never Fails So We Will Keep You Spiritually Clean From It

  Or

  Love Never Fails But Our Interpretations Of Prophecy Do
  
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  In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

  by nonjwspouse in

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  this happened yesterday.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

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  Thank you Blondie. I appreciate that. It's very interesting.
  
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  In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

  by nonjwspouse in

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  this happened yesterday.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

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  Hi Blondie

  I'm not suggesting any wrong doing in socialising just wondering how it would affect things if Angus Stewart was a judge over similar matters. Could WBTS refuse to have him as a judge in future court cases or do they have no choice?

  I have never heard of a judicial group. Do judges also have judicial groups or is it just solicitors?
  
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  In Sydney, and ex jw gathering, with an apperance by Angus Stewart!

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this happened yesterday.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfyty9bs3i.

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  I wonder why Angus Stewart went? I know the role he played, what I mean is it must have been difficult to contact him. Isn't he a judge now?

  Does one of the party know him personally?
  
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  Two JW`s called at my door today

  by smiddy3 in

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  2. friends

  the wife and i were expecting a health worker to call at our door 10:30 this morning and about 10;35 two women appeared at our door so i opened up thinking they were who i expected ,so i was take back a bit being caught off guard when they identified themselves as doing a bible work.. this is just the gist of what took place & not a word for word conversation.. a woman about in her fifties her companion about her twenties.the older woman did most of the talking as she read to me the scripture from her phone " in the last days critical times hard to deal with...etc.etc.and she went back and emphasised that we were living in the last days because of what that scripture said.. i made the comment that the scripture just about sums up human history in any given time.then i went on to say that this day and age is the best time in human history overall given the advances in technology ,medical procedures ,the overall standard of living being higher and so on .but they insisted on we were living in the last days.then i said different religions have been claiming that for the past couple hundred years.. then to throw them a curve ball i asked if they were mormons ?

  oh no we are jehovah`s witnesses.had i been prepared for them and not caught out unawares i would have taken a different tact.i then asked the older woman how long she has been a witness and she said 36 years so i then said to her you must have seen a lot of changes in your religion during that time which she agreed with.

  ( the light gets brighter).

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  Hi Smiddy

  I then asked the older woman how long she has been a witness and she said 36 years so I then said to her you must have seen a lot of changes in your religion during that time which she agreed with.

  That remindes me of Theocratic Min School. If the householder is elderly say, "you must have seen a lot of changes in your time."
  
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  Do Celebrities Influence You In Making Your Decisions?

  by minimus in

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  whether it be sports athletes or hollywood heavyweights or talk show hosts—do these people influence your thinking?.

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  This man had some interesting views. He anticipated relativity before Einstein. Also influenced Sigmund Freud's nephew (who gave us PR), Adolph Hitler and Mussolini - plus one or two others:-
  

  Le Bon theorised that the new entity, the "psychological crowd", which emerges from incorporating the assembled population not only forms a new body but also creates a collective "unconsciousness". As a group of people gather together and coalesces to form a crowd, there is a "magnetic influence given out by the crowd" that transmutes every individual's behaviour until it becomes governed by the "group mind". This model treats the crowd as a unit in its composition which robs every individual member of their opinions, values and beliefs; as Le Bon states: "An individual in a crowd is a grain of sand amid other grains of sand, which the wind stirs up at will".

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Le_Bon
  
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  STOP treating Watchtower Bible & Tract SOCIETY as a RELIGION

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

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  "the watchtower society is not a religious society for 👥 public worship, such as a ⛪️ church, but is a 💲 business corporation..."

  ➡️ please use and demonstrate this if you are involved in any legal action, it's not about religious rights and freedom, this is where they are 'fooling' their followers and authorities❗️

  ➡️ the purpose of disfellowshipping, disassociating and shunning are 'legalistic and pharisaical tricks' to 'name and shame' anyone asking (the right) questions about it's biblical teachings (aka) doctrines, (abuse) policies and the real truth about the 'truth' (aka apostate)❗️

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  Given that worship is pretty close to religion, some may find this helpful.

  My definition of a worship is a set of priorities. Even celebrities or sports people are referred to as idols. Some people feel compelled to do stuff just because their favorite celeb has done something. If they don't act in a certain way they feel not at-one with IT, whatever their IT is.
  
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  STOP treating Watchtower Bible & Tract SOCIETY as a RELIGION

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "the watchtower society is not a religious society for 👥 public worship, such as a ⛪️ church, but is a 💲 business corporation..."

  ➡️ please use and demonstrate this if you are involved in any legal action, it's not about religious rights and freedom, this is where they are 'fooling' their followers and authorities❗️

  ➡️ the purpose of disfellowshipping, disassociating and shunning are 'legalistic and pharisaical tricks' to 'name and shame' anyone asking (the right) questions about it's biblical teachings (aka) doctrines, (abuse) policies and the real truth about the 'truth' (aka apostate)❗️

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  And potentially, free labour.

  The body of Christ can be described as an organisation because a body is made up or organs. But a corporation is also a body, usually set up for the purpose of business.

  The thing to examine is the relationships between the people. Are they based on love (as in brotherly love and a voluntary spirit) seeking the genuine well being of the other person or are they based on contract and money. Ok, WBTS does not use money. In their case they use a kind of enticement. I am not quite sure how to describe it. Social engineering? Priviledge? Mind control?

  The point I want to make is that they are not seeking the other person's well being but their exploitation.
  
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  30 years after leaving utterly unrecognisable

  by Number 6 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the first time i have posted on here in many years..... i seldom visit now although this forum was instrumental to me in gaining my sanity in the early 2000's and recovering from the watchtower religion.. by chance tonight i was on youtube and caught a jw.org video which out of curiosity prompted me to look at the official website and amongst other things i looked up the music section.. why that i hear you ask?

  music is my passion and nothing reminds me more or evokes more memories than the kingdom songs i grew up listening to.. i am 49 years old and my mother was baptised in 1974. i grew up in the era of pink songbooks and green bibles.

  of the theology of fred franz and types and anti-types.

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  Hi days of future passed
  

  You said - That was back in the day before 1975 and people had a firm belief that soon, yes soon Armageddon would bring relief and the end of death.

  And some in the audience already knew they had been conned by teachings that they'd see a resurrected King David come out onto the platform.

  Some who knew they had been conned were very forgiving but they spoke out. Now your are definately not allowed to speak out otherwise you are making the congregation 'dirty' with the truth.